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well-written lead usually do not need a lead. Shortcuts MOS:LEADLENGTHMOS:LEADLENGTH MOS:LONGLEADMOS:LONGLEAD The appropriate length of the lead section depends...

to User:Thinker78/Draft MOS:LEADLENGTH table modification. —⁠ScottyWong⁠— 19:54, 12 August 2022 (UTC) Draft:MOS:LEADLENGTH table modification (edit | talk...

(talk) 21:39, 25 January 2020 (UTC) The Lead Hi Hollykatharine, Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, this article's lead is too long. Based on the article's prose size (currently...

the lede, at five paragraphs, is longer than what is recommended at WP:LEADLENGTH. Z1720 (talk) 00:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed...

after a quick skim: Suggest putting the lead into 4 paragraphs, per WP:LEADLENGTH "Key Features" Needs citations. Ensure that there is a citation at the...

1b, the lead section doesn't adequately summarise the article, see WP:LEADLENGTH (think two-three paras should do). From criteria 3b, inline citations...

though. Otherwise looks good, even if the leads are "short" (per MOS:LEADLENGTH, a one-paragraph lead for articles less than 15,000 characters long is...

"Bibliography" are used (many are not cited in the body). The lead (per WP:LEADLENGTH) is far shorter than one would expect from a 19kb article. Is this your...

sst✈ 10:46, 29 December 2015 (UTC) Comments by Ugog Nizdast Main Per WP:LEADLENGTH, I feel the lead could be expanded at maybe at the most, twice its current...

like too much.Cptnono (talk) 05:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC) Take a look at WP:LEADLENGTH. The article is 13kb of prose, which normally would warrant one to two...

things I found: Given the size of the article, the lead is very long. MOS:LEADLENGTH says that articles of about that size should have leads that are about...

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:MOS:LEADLENGTH table modification (move to User:Thinker78/Draft MOS:LEADLENGTH table modification) Wikipedia:Miscellany...

they don't mention anything new, they don't require inline citations. WP:LEADLENGTH, given the length of this article, it should be at least three-four paras...

barely a single para. The lead section could be expanded according to WP:LEADLENGTH. The intro statement doesn't say the country or which part of it (New...

completely literal reading of the "useful suggestions" (direct quote) on MOS:LEADLENGTH has. I've also trimmed a few overlong sentences and extraneous details...

Despite having 48kb of readable text, the lead is a mere paragraph (see WP:LEADLENGTH). I also see lots of punctuation issues: curly quotes used throughout...

there's any work left regarding that. Lead could do with expansion, see WP:LEADLENGTH. If unsure on what part to expand, I'll see if I can mention it here....

Style guidelines for lead sections." When looking at the length, MOS:LEADLENGTH (a section in MOS:LEAD) says that an article that is too long "is intimidating...

The lead, which currently stands at 758 words, may be too long per MOS:LEADLENGTH; It contains uncited material, meaning it does not meet GA criterion 2b);...

expansion given the articles size. Four-five sentences ought to do. WP:LEADLENGTH. Try to give weight to each major section of the article. Early life and...

notable." Your one is not wrong but then alternately it is. Please check WP:LEADLENGTH for the question you answered wrong about the number of paragraphs. The...

such a meduim-sized article, the lead should have two-three paras (WP:LEADLENGTH). This will be a little tough but try to summarise adequately each of...

unlikely to encourage non-American reviewers. The lede is too long. WP:LEADLENGTH recommends 3-4 paragraphs. The block quote is not necessary in the lede...

reopened it. AIRcorn (talk) 06:06, 22 March 2018 (UTC) Delist: Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, part of the MOS:LEAD GA criteria, lead sections generally shouldn't exceed...

15K character article, it doesn't entirely comply with the MOS for WP:LEADLENGTH which says a lead of one to two paragraph is appropriate for an article...

sections. The lead, at 5 paragraphs, is more than what is recommended at WP:LEADLENGTH. Z1720 (talk) 01:21, 5 August 2024 (UTC) I shall return from my break...

a lot like WP:PROSELINE Numerous dead links Lead is too short (per WP:LEADLENGTH this should have three to four paragraphs) These are only general comments...

be merged to a total of three shorter paras, given the article size WP:LEADLENGTH. -Ugog Nizdast (talk) 09:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC) Ugog Nizdast, thank you...

your leisure. The article is 14,819 characters; the manual of style (MOS:LEADLENGTH) advises a lead of "One or two paragraphs" for articles of this length...

16:20, 19 August 2019 (UTC) Lead The lead section appears too long. MOS:LEADLENGTH advises 2 paragraphs for articles with less than <15,000 characters which...

common noun resurrectionists requires quotes. I can find nothing in WP:LEADLENGTH which suggests that this article's lead is too long. It contains only...

consistent range of lengths. 3 paragraphs would be just nice, as per WP:LEADLENGTH guideline. Mr Tan (talk) 03:42, 16 September 2015 (UTC) Photos: For FA...

lead section is already three paragraphs, which is acceptable per MOS:LEADLENGTH; the premise covers the basic, well, premise of the show and most of the...

is quite long (619 words) and several aspects can be trimmed, per MOS:LEADLENGTH: Few well-written leads will be shorter than about 100 words. The leads...

Per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article of this length should have a lead of one or two paragraphs and this has a lead of three paragraphs. While LEADLENGTH is not...

lived in poverty and that he briefly attended school, for example? Per WP:LEADLENGTH I don't want to expand beyond two paragraphs. The existing two could of...

though. Otherwise looks good, even if the leads are "short" (per MOS:LEADLENGTH, a one-paragraph lead for articles less than 15,000 characters long is...

Dobbyelf62 (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC) @Dobbyelf62: According to WP:LEADLENGTH, it is suggested that an article of this length should be two to three...

(UTC) The lead needs to have another para, given this article's size. WP:LEADLENGTH Ideally each main section should be represented in it. Ugog Nizdast (talk)...

short per WP:LEDE - 74K characters and only a two paragraph lede. Per WP:LEADLENGTH, its a guideline and not a rule. I don't see the content to add.Casprings...

someone else is bound to ask if this runs - 6 paragraphs in the lead? WP:LEADLENGTH says 4 is the usual maximum; and if I read WP:SIZERULE correctly, it suggests...

words as per WP:SIZERULE, with a lead usually 250 to 400 words as per MOS:LEADLENGTH. Australia = Prose size (text only): 60 kB (9,304 words) "readable prose...

entirely appropriate. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC) MOS:LEADLENGTH says "Most featured articles have a lead length of about three paragraphs...

qualify my support for advancement. The lead is three paragraphs; per MOS:LEADLENGTH, an article of this size should have a one or two paragraph lead. That...

of last year, and many are still unresolved. I'll list them: lead - WP:LEADLENGTH no longer recommends leads be 4 paragraphs or less, but at ~500 words...

October 2022 (UTC) Hi, just a minor comment regarding the lead. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should usually be no longer than four paragraphs. This article...

comprehensive article. I support it! I have a few optional comments ... MOS:LEADLENGTH says that articles fewer than 15K characters should have a lead of one...

pretty short—at 20kb of readable prose, two paragraphs doesn't violate WP:LEADLENGTH, but those are awful short paragraphs, I think. Alt text for the images...

you.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2014 (UTC) Crisco review Per WP:LEADLENGTH, this 15k article should not have 4 paragraphs of lead. Lead doesn't mention...

June 2017 (UTC) Start by expanding the two sentence lead section, per WP:LEADLENGTH. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:09, 19 June 2017 (UTC) I did start in the...

have too much detail. Really? I was wondering if it was long enough, WP:LEADLENGTH recommends two or three paragraphs for an article of it's size. Can you...

to me? 06:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Comments from Crisco 1492 Per WP:LEADLENGTH, you may want to consider trimming your lead. Trimmed a bit and condensed...

and without an MOS that actually talks about lead length for lists (WP:LEADLENGTH is only for standard articles), that's all we have to refer to. Several...

that reducing the lead into one paragraph would fully in line with MOS:LEADLENGTH. Borsoka (talk) 04:54, 4 August 2023 (UTC) Medieval history can be complicated...

links, etc.) seem to check out. Earwig shows copyvio 'unlikely'. MOS:LEADLENGTH says an article of this size should have a "two or three" paragraphs lead...

needed to summarize it adequately. There is no hard limit either way; MOS:LEADLENGTH has some suggestions, but they are not at 7-8 lines level, certainly not...

short article, and MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests it should consist of "One or two paragraphs". Thank you for pointing to LEADLENGTH! It is now compliant. Dugan...

usual 250 to 400 words for WP:FA articles which is also stated in MOS:LEADLENGTH. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 03:58, 24 February 2025...

much more is really LEADworthy from the article. Keep in mind that WP:LEADLENGTH says that for an article less than 15,000 characters a 1 to 2 paragraph...

universally the case among reviewers) is to keep lead sections short. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests 1-2 paragraphs for an article this size, so I'd suggest going...

free to ignore, it's just that some FA reviewers are strict about WP:LEADLENGTH I can't really think of anything to add. The user above said, "I would...

shouldn't be. Though it isn't a policy but a general guideline, per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article with 15,000 characters (Emilia has 12,848, even with inline...

2024 (UTC) Will leave comments. 750h+ 09:44, 29 June 2024 (UTC) Per WP:LEADLENGTH, the size of the lead should be shortened to 1-2 paragraphs (this has...

MOS:LEADLENGTH, the ideal lead for an article of this length is two or three paragraphs, and this article has a four paragraph lead. While LEADLENGTH is...

short for an article of this length. Still looks short to me, re MOS:LEADLENGTH. Expanded again. "Committed to the spirit of jihad, during the next two...

cursory glance. Thank you for providing alt text for the images :) MOS:LEADLENGTH feels a bit short given the 3000+ word count – you could likely expound...

couple of basic points- things that struck me in the immediate. Per WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead should really be "Two or three paragraphs" for an article this...

excellent use of WP:RS and free-use images. A few minor issues: (1) per WP:LEADLENGTH articles of this length should be two paragraphs, (2) not all of the images...

average/good range (because there's about 6300 words of prose size). MOS:LEADLENGTH says 3-4 paragraphs for an article of that size, but I'm not sure if the...

to the previous point, the lead is also overly long. According to MOS:LEADLENGTH, an article this size (~22,000 characters of prose) should have only two...

as you assumed, not named. The lead seems very long, however, per MOS:LEADLENGTH is compliant so that's fine. No, it was too long. I have trimmed it a...

is quite long (619 words) and several aspects can be trimmed, per MOS:LEADLENGTH: Few well-written leads will be shorter than about 100 words. The leads...

and without an MOS that actually talks about lead length for lists (WP:LEADLENGTH is only for standard articles), that's all we have to refer to. Several...

February 2013 (UTC) One suggestion regarding the lead. You can refer to WP:LEADLENGTH, then find out how many characters your list is using and then decide...

the article, the lead is rather long - almost 3kb. Having said that, WP:LEADLENGTH suggests three or four paragraphs is fine - this has four lengthy ones...

though. Otherwise looks good, even if the leads are "short" (per MOS:LEADLENGTH, a one-paragraph lead for articles less than 15,000 characters long is...

information do you feel is missing from it? There is one look at MOS:LEADLENGTH however the lead meets the goal of the rule. The third paragraph looks...

(talk) 23:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC) Per WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead should not be this long I disagree. WP:LEADLENGTH is a vague suggestion, not a set-in-stone...

February 2013 (UTC) One suggestion regarding the lead. You can refer to WP:LEADLENGTH, then find out how many characters your list is using and then decide...

September 2024 (UTC) Four paragraphs in the lead is too many, see MOS:LEADLENGTH. Suggest running the last three paragraphs together. Gog the Mild (talk)...

length Trimmed the lede It's not an absolute rule, but I usually find MOS:LEADLENGTH pretty good. For an article of this length (approx. 24,000 characters)...

a lot like WP:PROSELINE Numerous dead links Lead is too short (per WP:LEADLENGTH this should have three to four paragraphs) These are only general comments...

385 to 310 words, revising based on your comments. I do note that MOS:LEADLENGTH does suggest four paragraphs at max, and I believe the article's long...

cleaned up an article's lead, seemingly within the guidelines set out in WP:LEADLENGTH and did some copyediting. That sounds like a pretty good set of edits...

you deleted like it. The lede should only have four paragraphs per WP:LEADLENGTH. QuackGuru (talk) 06:15, 29 May 2014 (UTC) From this edit on my talk page...

unsourced and unexplained, and going against the MoS (specifically MOS:LEADLENGTH and WP:DETAIL), I tried to restore the April 17 version twice. They suggest...

information to be conveyed and the importance of the skyline. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should not have more than four paragraphs. The first sentence...

talk page section pn the articles talk page.[70] QG argued against WP:LEADLENGTH and misrepresented the guideline and the articles size.[71] calling it...

then the 3 or 4 paragraphs stated as appropriate for it's length in MOS:LEADLENGTH. I am also unsure if an article is allowed to have more than one template...

lead should have no more than three paragraphs according to the old MOS:LEADLENGTH guideline, although I see they have made it less specific recently. "The...

mainly what I felt after a quick glance, so feel free to ignore me — LEADLENGTH is not an absolute guideline. For an article related to fiction, I would...

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC) Crisco prose comments Per WP:LEADLENGTH, this should preferably have only two paragraphs in the lead. To date...

section, which is currently only 1 paragraph (1044 characters). Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead for articles above 30,000 characters is advised to be 3-4 paragraphs...

events. To clarify what I meant here, the article is 35k long so MOS:LEADLENGTH would suggest "Three or four paragraphs". I think the first two paragraphs...

elsewhere in the lead. No worries: I've split it into a fourth para, per MOS:LEADLENGTH What I mostly meant, was that I think that the lead is a bit long overall...

lead paragraph is much too long, I would add in breaks and refer to WP:LEADLENGTH. Second, and much more importantly, there are only 7 citations supporting...

eclipses length recommendations for an article of this size as per WP:LEADLENGTH. While this length is a general guideline and not a rule, there's nothing...

you ;-) . Before I respond, could you confirm that we are ignoring MOS:LEADLENGTH where this article falls towards the lower end of "two or three paragraphs"...

SchroCat (talk) 13:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC) Also noting that per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article of over 30K characters is expected to have a lead of "three...

that caught my eye on a very quick look include: A five para lead (MOS:LEADLENGTH says four at most and an article of this size, is suggests, should be...

contribs) 22:15, 16 October 2014 (UTC) I'd like to better understand WP:LEADLENGTH—how we do it in actual practice, not just the theory on the guideline...

2014 (UTC) I'll be through in a bit. One thing jumps out at me: per WP:LEADLENGTH, this should have only 2 or 3 paragraphs of lead. — Crisco 1492 (talk)...

article, would I? I see its about 20k characters with spaces, so I read WP:LEADLENGTH as requiring two to three paras. I'm not great at lead-writing, so let...

tight. Could the lead be slightly more expansive? It's true that, per MOS:LEADLENGTH, one or two paragraphs suffices for an article this size; but in this...

that the leads of many GACs are either too long or too short. See WP:LEADLENGTH. Also make sure that you check if the lead is comprehensive and summarizes...

as I suggested. I told him that five paragraphs was too many, cited WP:LEADLENGTH to show why, and asked that he please reduce the number of paragraphs...

of daunting; I'd probably leave it as is. Gday again. According to WP:LEADLENGTH articles of this length should have 3 to 4 paras and no lead should be...

the MoS? Osomite hablemos 21:54, 21 September 2020 (UTC) @Osomite: MOS:LEADLENGTH already says that it is not an absolute rule. Discuss on the article's...

article is less than 2,500 words a two-paragraph lead aligns with MOS:LEADLENGTH. @Brachy0008: thanks for your comments so far. Heartfox (talk) 18:15,...

that one was justified, and I thought that was a good idea. (I see WP:LEADLENGTH as just a rule of thumb.) For readability, I think the content is better...

2019 (UTC) 2a – Article lead The lead is 3 paragraphs, which per MOS:LEADLENGTH is appropriate given the length of the body. It covers all the major topics...

would object to having a four-paragraph lead to a 19k article (per WP:LEADLENGTH). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC) I've tightened the...

as" Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC) Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, I would recommend having only one to two paragraphs as this article has...

19:19, 1 March 2020 (UTC) Lead One thing I'll note here is that, per MOS:LEADLENGTH, this article should only have a maximum of two paragraphs as it is under...

we get forensic. The lead, while technically within the limits of MOS:LEADLENGTH, should be expanded (although whether comprising one longer para or two...

structure as per MOS:LEAD, WP:SUMMARY, and WP:SECTIONS. Lead size: As per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead can be divided into two or three paragraphs, counting ca. 250...

you've come to expect this comment from me, but, for the record... Per WP:LEADLENGTH, the article's lead is too long. Josh Milburn (talk) 07:46, 26 January...

appropriate The article itself is not very long (18 kb prose) so per MOS:LEADLENGTH the current lead should be sufficient. Maybe the second paragraph can...

each of the song's lyrical themes, it would no longer conform with WP:LEADLENGTH. CrowzRSA 19:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC) Major Point 6: Reception "Despite...

captioned. Nikkimaria (talk) 20:40, 2 August 2014 (UTC) Comment - Per WP:LEADLENGTH the lead should be at most two paragraphs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:00...

(UTC) Talking of the lead, I'd expect the length to be mentioned. WP:LEADLENGTH s no real help—it only advises up to 30K characters. And even then only...

short article. Suggest trimming it. (By about 40%.) In addition, per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should consist of one or, at most, two paragraphs. I've trimmed...

and one more read-through, I have one more comment before I support. WP:LEADLENGTH recommends a 1-2 paragraph intro for articles with <15kb of readable prose...

the requirement that leads should not have more than 4 paragraphs (MOS:LEADLENGTH). A lead should normally not repeat sentences from the main text. This...

Trimmed it a little bit. What do you think now? By the way according to MOS:LEADLENGTH, four paragraphs is appropriate for article of >30k characters, but I...

was the GA reviewer, but i think the lead has too many paragraphs. MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends 4 or less, but i think 5 is fine. 750h+ 06:16, 10 May 2025...

is already the suggested length per the article size as stated at WP:LEADLENGTH. There is no free use image available that would be appropriate for the...

there. Ergo Sum 04:27, 5 June 2021 (UTC) The lead is a bit long. MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends 2 to 3 paragraphs for the article's text length (15 kB), not...

and not necessary explain each edit. (Eg the current lead breaches MOS:LEADLENGTH etc.) If I change anything of yours, feel free to shout. https://warfarehistorynetwork...

12:52, 29 October 2013 (UTC) Hello! I've read the instructions at WP:LEADLENGTH and I still don't have a clear idea. The given unit ("x paragraphs") is...

to split it to fit properly. I note that the lead is already over MOS:LEADLENGTH, but I think five paras is ok for a subject of this importance and complexity...

23#Proposal. Replacing the first paragraph with two is too long per WP:LEADLENGTH. Leads are usually no more than 4 paragraphs. SM deleted relevant text...

original word count and doesn't leave out anything important. Note that MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends 2-3 paragraphs for an article of this length. Done. el.ziade...

the reader more information and also balances out the paragraphs per WP:LEADLENGTH. If I condense the dates then I'll have trouble keeping the three paragraphs...

lead is quite short relative to the length of the article Looking at MOS:LEADLENGTH, the recommendation for articles longer than 30,000 characters is three...

information do you feel is missing from it? There is one look at MOS:LEADLENGTH however the lead meets the goal of the rule. The third paragraph looks...

as" Done. – Kavyansh.Singh (talk) 14:48, 6 October 2021 (UTC) Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, I would recommend having only one to two paragraphs as this article has...

WikiCup. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC) Also, per WP:LEADLENGTH, your lead is too long! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)...

the lead paragraphs into two or three paragraphs total. Technically MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends only 1-2 paragraphs for an article of this size, but the article...

in this day and age.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC) Per MOS:LEADLENGTH could the lead be condensed to 2 or 3 paragraphs; the current 4 are all...

OK in terms of length, but needs reducing to four paragraphs per MOS:LEADLENGTH. Done. FemkeMilene (talk) 09:25, 15 August 2021 (UTC) I spotted a couple...

substantial article, warrants more than two short paragraphs. Per WP:LEADLENGTH, it could be three or four paragraphs. I added half a sentence about his...

length of the article, and at four paragraphs does not align with MOS:LEADLENGTH]]. (Suggest, at least for starters, scrapping the whole of the last paragraph...

21:06, 2 September 2024 (UTC) @Jaguarnik: not a full review, but per WP:LEADLENGTH, the article should have 3 to 4 lead paragraphs, not 2. 750h+ 10:37, 6...

14:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC) lead make the lead two paragraphs (per MOS:LEADLENGTH) The album was recorded on analogue tape ==> "The album was recorded on analog...

beyond what has previously been said. Ergo, this will be short. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH an article under 30,000 characters should have a 2-3 paragraph lead. While...

another way, the body is 16480 characters, which is at the low end of MOS:LEADLENGTH's 15-30k range, suggesting "Two or three paragraphs". The second paragraph...

trimming down the lede since it's about twice as long as MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends. MOS:LEADLENGTH has come up at FAC a few times: I don't think I'm speaking...

1602"? No, gone The lead seems very long. And four paragraphs? See MOS:LEADLENGTH, which suggests "Two or three paragraphs" for articles of "15,000–30,000...

lead is that I feel it is right on the edge of what is acceptable at WP:LEADLENGTH, so if facts were to be added, something else ought to be taken away to...

the lead section, which is five paragraphs. The four-paragraph rule MOS:LEADLENGTH is under perennial debate but since FAs are supposed to follow the MOS...

was an NFL first round draft pick belongs in the lead. Please read WP:LEADLENGTH. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:24, 18 June 2017 (UTC) @Cullen328: Should...

review. The lead seems over long for a relatively short article, and MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests it should consist of "One or two paragraphs". Thank you for the...

to FA and needs basic explanations. The lead should be longer. See MOS:LEADLENGTH. Most FA articles on major topics have Lead sections with at least 4 medium-big...

6 September 2019 (UTC) The lead is much too long in my opinion. MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends no more than four paragraphs. This has five, and two of them...

the former is included and the latter is not. Note however that per MOS:LEADLENGTH the lead section of this article in particular should be around 2-3 paragraphs...

particularly on old taxonomy and nomenclature, so I decided to look at WP:LEADLENGTH. It suggests that an article of 15,000–30,000 characters should aim to...

notes and biblio), which at ~10% seems well in line for lead length; MOS:LEADLENGTH has Few well-written leads will be shorter than about 100 words. The leads...

one but not the other. Overall, the lead seems about fine to me. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests that the lead occupy no more than four paragraphs. This lead...

the one-line paragraph. Third, the lead is too long, according to WP:LEADLENGTH; the article is about 13,000 characters "readable prose size", which puts...

in 3 paragraphs according to the recommended parameters giving by MOS:LEADLENGTH and in format layed out by MOS:LEAD. If any more info should be removed...

It goes into unnecessary detail and has too many paragraphs per MOS:LEADLENGTH. It needs trimming. MOS:LEAD offers useful guidance. Gog the Mild (talk)...

comes just under the 400-word maximum suggested, but not mandated, by WP:LEADLENGTH, the article itself is concise enough that it feels a bit "off". It's...

We don't need to be told this twice in four sentences. done Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, four paragraphs is too long for the lead. I suggest grouping the same...

readable characters (of which the lead is about 2,500); according to MOS:LEADLENGTH, three paragraphs would be appropriate for an article of this length....

evident in the 2-sentence long lead, which doesn't adhere to the MOS:LEADLENGTH guideline. —Bloom6132 (talk) 23:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC) Comment @The Rambling...

The article is quite short (DYK check says 5979 readable prose). MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests one or two paragraphs for under 15k. and this is 1/3 of that...

to me? 06:27, 23 October 2014 (UTC) Comments from Crisco 1492 Per WP:LEADLENGTH, you may want to consider trimming your lead. Trimmed a bit and condensed...

you ;-) . Before I respond, could you confirm that we are ignoring MOS:LEADLENGTH where this article falls towards the lower end of "two or three paragraphs"...

each of the song's lyrical themes, it would no longer conform with WP:LEADLENGTH. CrowzRSA 19:17, 16 February 2014 (UTC) Major Point 6: Reception "Despite...

(talk) 23:39, 17 March 2015 (UTC) Per WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead should not be this long I disagree. WP:LEADLENGTH is a vague suggestion, not a set-in-stone...

Per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article of this length should have a lead of one or two paragraphs and this has a lead of three paragraphs. While LEADLENGTH is not...

October 2022 (UTC) Hi, just a minor comment regarding the lead. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should usually be no longer than four paragraphs. This article...

particularly on old taxonomy and nomenclature, so I decided to look at WP:LEADLENGTH. It suggests that an article of 15,000–30,000 characters should aim to...

lead, at 214 words, is a bit under the 250 to 400 range mentioned by MOS:LEADLENGTH. Those are of course only general suggestions, though, so wouldn't worry...

is already the suggested length per the article size as stated at WP:LEADLENGTH. There is no free use image available that would be appropriate for the...

A lead of four paragraphs for a short article seems to clash with MOS:LEADLENGTH. I don't love paragraphs as a metric; I could easily combine them into...

elsewhere in the lead. No worries: I've split it into a fourth para, per MOS:LEADLENGTH What I mostly meant, was that I think that the lead is a bit long overall...

WikiCup. Josh Milburn (talk) 17:21, 20 February 2020 (UTC) Also, per WP:LEADLENGTH, your lead is too long! Josh Milburn (talk) 17:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)...

common noun resurrectionists requires quotes. I can find nothing in WP:LEADLENGTH which suggests that this article's lead is too long. It contains only...

from the body of the article to draw from for this). For reference, MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests a lead of three paragraphs of about 300 words, and up to four...

is a long article—9200 words according to the prosesize tool. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, I would recommend a four-paragraph lead. Working on that For exmple,...

completely forgot to bring up the length of the lead at the GAN. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests that most FAs "have a lead length of about three paragraphs,...

MOS:LEADLENGTH, the ideal lead for an article of this length is two or three paragraphs, and this article has a four paragraph lead. While LEADLENGTH is...

Agreed; I've split it into two paragraphs. This may be a violation of MOS:LEADLENGTH, though to my understanding those divisions are just suggestions, and...

—TS in general i think the leade could be a bit longer; at 3k words MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests 2-3 paragraphs, so not strictly necessary, but just a suggestion...

events. To clarify what I meant here, the article is 35k long so MOS:LEADLENGTH would suggest "Three or four paragraphs". I think the first two paragraphs...

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2014 (UTC) Crisco prose comments Per WP:LEADLENGTH, this should preferably have only two paragraphs in the lead. To date...

you.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:48, 11 April 2014 (UTC) Crisco review Per WP:LEADLENGTH, this 15k article should not have 4 paragraphs of lead. Lead doesn't mention...

15K character article, it doesn't entirely comply with the MOS for WP:LEADLENGTH which says a lead of one to two paragraph is appropriate for an article...

like too much.Cptnono (talk) 05:28, 9 April 2015 (UTC) Take a look at WP:LEADLENGTH. The article is 13kb of prose, which normally would warrant one to two...

Lead is so small for this type of article and event. According to WP:LEADLENGTH, anything above 15000 characters should have 2 or 3 paragraphs. This has...

tight. Could the lead be slightly more expansive? It's true that, per MOS:LEADLENGTH, one or two paragraphs suffices for an article this size; but in this...

SchroCat (talk) 13:54, 1 November 2018 (UTC) Also noting that per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article of over 30K characters is expected to have a lead of "three...

the reader more information and also balances out the paragraphs per WP:LEADLENGTH. If I condense the dates then I'll have trouble keeping the three paragraphs...

this article doesn't have citations in the lede for consistency. See WP:LEADLENGTH, WP:LEADCITE. Some of your edits are appreciated though. Apologies, I'm...

Trimmed it a little bit. What do you think now? By the way according to MOS:LEADLENGTH, four paragraphs is appropriate for article of >30k characters, but I...

and one more read-through, I have one more comment before I support. WP:LEADLENGTH recommends a 1-2 paragraph intro for articles with <15kb of readable prose...

would object to having a four-paragraph lead to a 19k article (per WP:LEADLENGTH). Curly Turkey ¡gobble! 23:34, 17 December 2014 (UTC) I've tightened the...

that's very doubtful. Johnbod (talk) 20:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC) See MOS:LEADLENGTH At the end: "This caused the narwhal tusk to be one of the most sought...

The lead is IMO a little long in proportion to the article, and MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests it should consist of "One or two paragraphs". "French rider Jeannie...

lived in poverty and that he briefly attended school, for example? Per WP:LEADLENGTH I don't want to expand beyond two paragraphs. The existing two could of...

as this page has more text compared to other k-series pages. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, there should be one or two paragraphs if the page is fewer than 15,000...

little bit. At 13,559 characters, two paragraphs is compliant with MOS:LEADLENGTH, but I observe that they are two short paragraphs (both three sentences)...

the lead paragraphs into two or three paragraphs total. Technically MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends only 1-2 paragraphs for an article of this size, but the article...

could be mentioned? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, articles with more than 3,500 words need 3 to 4 paragraph long leads...

participate in the 2015 Under Armour All-America Game. Fix Length (WP:LEADLENGTH). Lead can be expanded to reflect more information detailed in the body...

it is. Much of the lead does not seem to be in summary style. See MOS:LEADLENGTH. It also contains information not in the main article. I cut some stuff...

short per WP:LEDE - 74K characters and only a two paragraph lede. Per WP:LEADLENGTH, its a guideline and not a rule. I don't see the content to add.Casprings...

in 3 paragraphs according to the recommended parameters giving by MOS:LEADLENGTH and in format layed out by MOS:LEAD. If any more info should be removed...

there. Ergo Sum 04:27, 5 June 2021 (UTC) The lead is a bit long. MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends 2 to 3 paragraphs for the article's text length (15 kB), not...

Despite having 48kb of readable text, the lead is a mere paragraph (see WP:LEADLENGTH). I also see lots of punctuation issues: curly quotes used throughout...

1602"? No, gone The lead seems very long. And four paragraphs? See MOS:LEADLENGTH, which suggests "Two or three paragraphs" for articles of "15,000–30,000...

usual 250 to 400 words for WP:FA articles which is also stated in MOS:LEADLENGTH. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 03:58, 24 February 2025...

it at the low end of 2-to-3 paragraph expectation for the lead per MOS:LEADLENGTH. Three paragraphs are fine, but I suggest reducing the length. The second...

length Trimmed the lede It's not an absolute rule, but I usually find MOS:LEADLENGTH pretty good. For an article of this length (approx. 24,000 characters)...

we get forensic. The lead, while technically within the limits of MOS:LEADLENGTH, should be expanded (although whether comprising one longer para or two...

that one was justified, and I thought that was a good idea. (I see WP:LEADLENGTH as just a rule of thumb.) For readability, I think the content is better...

the lead section, which is five paragraphs. The four-paragraph rule MOS:LEADLENGTH is under perennial debate but since FAs are supposed to follow the MOS...

I'll admit to having a penchant for short leads, but in this case MOS:LEADLENGTH agrees with me. The main body is about 4200 words, which suggests 2-3...

leads of Days Of the Year (DOY) articles be expanded to comply with MOS:LEADLENGTH/WP:FLCR or should those policies be modified to create an exception for...

QURAN 60 OFCOURSE 59 WEASEL 59 FLOWERY 59 LISTGAP 58 IPA 58 TVAUDIENCE 57 LEADLENGTH 57 ART/DAB 56 TM 55 SIMPLIFIED 55 BANDDAB 55 NAMES 54 GENDERIDENTITY 54...

the lede, at five paragraphs, is longer than what is recommended at WP:LEADLENGTH. Z1720 (talk) 00:31, 23 July 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed...

much more is really LEADworthy from the article. Keep in mind that WP:LEADLENGTH says that for an article less than 15,000 characters a 1 to 2 paragraph...

one but not the other. Overall, the lead seems about fine to me. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests that the lead occupy no more than four paragraphs. This lead...

is a long article—9200 words according to the prosesize tool. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, I would recommend a four-paragraph lead. Working on that For exmple,...

Style guidelines for lead sections." When looking at the length, MOS:LEADLENGTH (a section in MOS:LEAD) says that an article that is too long "is intimidating...

article, would I? I see its about 20k characters with spaces, so I read WP:LEADLENGTH as requiring two to three paras. I'm not great at lead-writing, so let...

12:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC) FWIW, I abhor countitis. I'm glad we made MOS:LEADLENGTH less about counting words and more about reader perception; I feel the...

lead is quite short relative to the length of the article Looking at MOS:LEADLENGTH, the recommendation for articles longer than 30,000 characters is three...

substantial article, warrants more than two short paragraphs. Per WP:LEADLENGTH, it could be three or four paragraphs. I added half a sentence about his...

the requirement that leads should not have more than 4 paragraphs (MOS:LEADLENGTH). A lead should normally not repeat sentences from the main text. This...

2014 (UTC) I'll be through in a bit. One thing jumps out at me: per WP:LEADLENGTH, this should have only 2 or 3 paragraphs of lead. — Crisco 1492 (talk)...

more detail is not without merit, is editing against consensus and MOS:LEADLENGTH when he restores his preferred version. WCM stopped at the right point...

to split it to fit properly. I note that the lead is already over MOS:LEADLENGTH, but I think five paras is ok for a subject of this importance and complexity...

shouldn't be. Though it isn't a policy but a general guideline, per WP:LEADLENGTH, an article with 15,000 characters (Emilia has 12,848, even with inline...

such a meduim-sized article, the lead should have two-three paras (WP:LEADLENGTH). This will be a little tough but try to summarise adequately each of...

appropriate The article itself is not very long (18 kb prose) so per MOS:LEADLENGTH the current lead should be sufficient. Maybe the second paragraph can...

beyond what has previously been said. Ergo, this will be short. Per MOS:LEADLENGTH an article under 30,000 characters should have a 2-3 paragraph lead. While...

19:19, 1 March 2020 (UTC) Lead One thing I'll note here is that, per MOS:LEADLENGTH, this article should only have a maximum of two paragraphs as it is under...

your leisure. The article is 14,819 characters; the manual of style (MOS:LEADLENGTH) advises a lead of "One or two paragraphs" for articles of this length...

the one-line paragraph. Third, the lead is too long, according to WP:LEADLENGTH; the article is about 13,000 characters "readable prose size", which puts...

entirely appropriate. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:27, 21 February 2024 (UTC) MOS:LEADLENGTH says "Most featured articles have a lead length of about three paragraphs...

6 September 2019 (UTC) The lead is much too long in my opinion. MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends no more than four paragraphs. This has five, and two of them...

Lead is so small for this type of article and event. According to WP:LEADLENGTH, anything above 15000 characters should have 2 or 3 paragraphs. This has...

have too much detail. Really? I was wondering if it was long enough, WP:LEADLENGTH recommends two or three paragraphs for an article of it's size. Can you...

trimming down the lede since it's about twice as long as MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends. MOS:LEADLENGTH has come up at FAC a few times: I don't think I'm speaking...

couple of basic points- things that struck me in the immediate. Per WP:LEADLENGTH, the lead should really be "Two or three paragraphs" for an article this...

eclipses length recommendations for an article of this size as per WP:LEADLENGTH. While this length is a general guideline and not a rule, there's nothing...

of daunting; I'd probably leave it as is. Gday again. According to WP:LEADLENGTH articles of this length should have 3 to 4 paras and no lead should be...

The lead, which currently stands at 758 words, may be too long per MOS:LEADLENGTH; It contains uncited material, meaning it does not meet GA criterion 2b);...

short article, and MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests it should consist of "One or two paragraphs". Thank you for pointing to LEADLENGTH! It is now compliant. Dugan...

February 2026 (UTC) TyronesEditsPages, there is some guidance at MOS:LEADLENGTH, which says The leads in most featured articles contain about 250 to 400...

The lead is IMO a little long in proportion to the article, and MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests it should consist of "One or two paragraphs". "French rider Jeannie...

non-stub biographies. isaacl (talk) 18:43, 1 May 2023 (UTC) Reviewing MOS:LEADLENGTH and WP:LENGTH these are a good sources for how some alternative ideas...

completely literal reading of the "useful suggestions" (direct quote) on MOS:LEADLENGTH has. I've also trimmed a few overlong sentences and extraneous details...

is misusing the rules and arbitrarily introducing tags, especially MOS:LEADLENGTH (insisting to no more than 400 words) and WP:TOOBIG to be 9000 words even...

opposes. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:06, 10 October 2024 (UTC) When we updated WP:LEADLENGTH recently, we moved completely away from paragraphs as a measurement. "Two...

lead should have no more than three paragraphs according to the old MOS:LEADLENGTH guideline, although I see they have made it less specific recently. "The...

notes and biblio), which at ~10% seems well in line for lead length; MOS:LEADLENGTH has Few well-written leads will be shorter than about 100 words. The leads...

original word count and doesn't leave out anything important. Note that MOS:LEADLENGTH recommends 2-3 paragraphs for an article of this length. Done. el.ziade...

12:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC) FWIW, I abhor countitis. I'm glad we made MOS:LEADLENGTH less about counting words and more about reader perception; I feel the...

I'll admit to having a penchant for short leads, but in this case MOS:LEADLENGTH agrees with me. The main body is about 4200 words, which suggests 2-3...

—TS in general i think the leade could be a bit longer; at 3k words MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests 2-3 paragraphs, so not strictly necessary, but just a suggestion...

this article doesn't have citations in the lede for consistency. See WP:LEADLENGTH, WP:LEADCITE. Some of your edits are appreciated though. Apologies, I'm...

length of the article, and at four paragraphs does not align with MOS:LEADLENGTH]]. (Suggest, at least for starters, scrapping the whole of the last paragraph...

review. The lead seems over long for a relatively short article, and MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests it should consist of "One or two paragraphs". Thank you for the...

little bit. At 13,559 characters, two paragraphs is compliant with MOS:LEADLENGTH, but I observe that they are two short paragraphs (both three sentences)...

could be mentioned? Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Per MOS:LEADLENGTH, articles with more than 3,500 words need 3 to 4 paragraph long leads...

in this day and age.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:32, 9 April 2024 (UTC) Per MOS:LEADLENGTH could the lead be condensed to 2 or 3 paragraphs; the current 4 are all...

short article. Suggest trimming it. (By about 40%.) In addition, per MOS:LEADLENGTH, the lead should consist of one or, at most, two paragraphs. I've trimmed...

another way, the body is 16480 characters, which is at the low end of MOS:LEADLENGTH's 15-30k range, suggesting "Two or three paragraphs". The second paragraph...

14:25, 16 August 2024 (UTC) lead make the lead two paragraphs (per MOS:LEADLENGTH) The album was recorded on analogue tape ==> "The album was recorded on analog...

around 250 words, around the lower range of the 250 to 400 words MOS:LEADLENGTH (not policy, but a fair reference when talking about lead length) says...

she stopped expanding leads to ~600 words after I pointed her to WP:LEADLENGTH). —Femke 🐦 (talk) 07:37, 1 February 2025 (UTC) @Femke: They shouldn't...

completely forgot to bring up the length of the lead at the GAN. MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests that most FAs "have a lead length of about three paragraphs,...

A lead of four paragraphs for a short article seems to clash with MOS:LEADLENGTH. I don't love paragraphs as a metric; I could easily combine them into...

it at the low end of 2-to-3 paragraph expectation for the lead per MOS:LEADLENGTH. Three paragraphs are fine, but I suggest reducing the length. The second...

from the body of the article to draw from for this). For reference, MOS:LEADLENGTH suggests a lead of three paragraphs of about 300 words, and up to four...

article still has the same 6 paragraphs when it should be 4 at most (MOS:LEADLENGTH). In actuality, Brandmeister's edit removed mention of Melikdoms of Karabakh...